We were discussing..."Islamophobia"

Originally Posted on CARM by 'godsilove'
http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/01/02/fam...ef=mpstoryview

Would this incident have occurred had the family did not appear to be of Muslim faith?

This is the kind of paranoia that could be avoided by toning down the anti-Islam rhetoric. There are millions of Muslims who do not sympathize with extremists - not all of them are willing to blow themselves or their children up on a plane full of their fellow citizens.

HERE IS MY REPLY:

Oh, I guess we are not allowed to wonder such things post-9/11, but the lesson we learned on that day was to love and trust all followers of the Religion of PEACE. Uh huh. Right. Or that we are never ever to be alarmed on a plane just because some Muslims are on it with us. Uh huh. What the heck are you smoking? And who made you God's arbiter of when and where and how people should react to FEAR, concern, or worry?

And why are you so willing to *condemn*, label, and incriminate people you don't even know for something you didn't even see?

Let's just put the cards on the table here why don't we. I HATE Islam for some very good reasons, I do not hate people. And I don't consider myself atypical as an American in this regard, although most have been so intimidated by the likes of YOU they won't talk about it any more, fearing the label "bigot" being plastered to their forehead.

I prefer to let ex-Muslims tell me about Islam, not some politically correct thought policeman with a hyperactive guilt gland who is paranoid over the thought of what they perceive to be "hate speech" or bigotry sweeping the nation, to such an extent they imagine others to be plotting incarceration camps for Muslims. That kind of rabid PCness and willingness to believe the absolute worst about mainstream America based on one stupid headline grabbing incident is itself the height of intolerant bigotry and ignorance. That there are some hypocrites who don't get that is ... amusing.

One such spokesperson I trust to tell the truth is Mossab Hassan Yousef, who happens to be the son of Sheikh Hassan Yousef (a leader and founder of Hamas). Little Mossab was indoctrinated throughout his young life and became the leader of the Islamic Youth Movement. He listened to his father preach two, sometimes three times a day in towns and villages all over the palestinian territory, in refugee camps and all over, recruiting young men to Hamas and teaching the Q'uran. So. Is he "paranoid" when he says that the Muslim religion is inherently dangerous, not only for its perceived enemies but for its followers as well? Well, he is the one living under a death sentence from his own people, not me. Is he delusional when he declares that anyone reading, understanding, following, and actually believing the Q'uran has to be "sick", because it is so full of direct contradictions to itself that he calls it "schizophrenic"? Is he lying, for example, when he tells us that Hamas tortures its own members? And that not only Hamas but ISLAM itself desires to eradicate every Jew from the face of the earth?

(Golly gee, where have we heard THAT before).

And this young man who spent time in an Israeli prison, and who afterwards walked the countryside outside of his home town alone with a hidden and forbidden Bible, comparing it to the Q'uran in secret while contemplating his own sure death as the consequence of abandoning his father's faith -

well what led *him* to conclude Christianity is the only true religion, what led *him* to believe that Jesus Christ, a Jew - was in fact the son of God and redeemer of humanity? What led *him* to believe "Mohammedanism" was to blame for the unrest, chaos, pestilence and violence staining his people for the last 1400 years? What led *him* to believe that his religion was indeed intent on eradicating Israel, Judaism and eventually Christianity from the face of the earth? What led him to admit, in tears, that the book and religion he had so passionately followed his whole life was A LIE?

Who are we supposed to believe - him or the rabid thought police who want to scrub our brains clean of anything negative whatsoever about Islam and permanently muzzle anyone who dares to talk about the reality of the what's in the Q'uran.

Well guess what. I believe know ISLAM is to blame for 9/11. I believe ISLAM is to blame for hundreds of thousands of violent deaths all over the world. I believe ISLAM is directly responsible for the Crusades (educate yourself if you don't believe me). I believe ISLAM is a bad drug, that it promotes a death-addiction in its followers, is a false religion, is a dangerous LIE, and should be treated with the same respect and affection one would show towards a shotgun pointed in one's face.


/Amen.

NO Hitler was NOT a Christian -- IDIOTS!!

Listen up, bloviators, dis-educators, and ignorami of all persuasions: Hitler wasn't a Christian. Hitler wasn't a Christian. Hitler wasn't a Christian. Now educate yourselves properly and write that on the blackboard 100 times. What are they teaching in schools now? Don't answer. Please, my stomach can't take it. I'm too emotionally fragile to handle any more propaganda today. I keep stumbling across blatant lies the populace has seemed to absorb and accept while my back was turned. So...STOP IT!!!

You Mean Hitler Wasn’t A Priest?
The truth is, in fact, out there.

Dave Shiflett is coauthor of Christianity on Trial.
January 21, 2001 8:40 a.m.

A shocking story has been revealed: Adolf Hitler was not a Christian after all. Instead, he hoped to destroy Christianity. This news flash comes courtesy of a group of students at Rutgers University School of Law at Camden, who have posted papers on a website detailing Hitler's desire to eradicate Christianity. The documents are from the archives of Gen. William J. Donovan and were originally prepared for the International Military Tribunal at Nuremberg, so we can safely assume they are authentic.

To be sure, Hitler's antagonism toward Christianity will not be news to everyone. That its central figure hails from a Jewish family (translation for the religion-impaired: Jesus was a JEW) did not set well with him, and its (Christianity's) teachings of universal love ran contrary to his violent precepts. Yet one could easily get the impression, these days, that Hitler believed himself to be something of an altar boy on a mission for God.

The Rutgers project's editor, for example, seems to have been taken a bit by surprise. Julie Seltzer Mandel told the Philadelphia Enquirer that "When people think about the Holocaust, they think about the crimes against Jews, but here's a different perspective." The Nazis, she says, "wanted to eliminate the Jews altogether, but they were also looking to eliminate Christianity."

That will unsettle those who have been taught that Hitler was a Christian of some stripe — and indeed, by some accountings, an enthusiastic Catholic. Bill Clinton, for example, said at the 1999 National Prayer Breakfast that "I do believe that even though Adolf Hitler preached a perverted form of Christianity, God did not want him to prevail." Meanwhile, at the United States Memorial Holocaust Museum, a film portrayed Hitler as an overzealous son of Rome. "Enter Adolf Hitler," the narrator intoned, "Austrian born and baptized a Catholic." Hitler's mission: "In defending myself against the Jews," he is quoted as saying, "I am acting for the Lord. The difference between the Church and me is that I am finishing the job."

That film was altered after protests by, among others, conservative Jewish writers. But the same message crops up elsewhere. Soon after the September 11 attacks, a spokeswoman for the Freedom From Religion organization pronounced Hitler a Catholic. In 1999, Maureen Dowd included Hitler as yet another Christian zealot. According to Dowd, "History teaches that when religion is injected into politics — the Crusades, Henry VIII, Salem, Father Coughlin, Hitler, Kosovo — disaster follows."

Hitler was indeed a baptized Catholic, but his rejection of the faith was profound. "My pedagogy is strict," he once explained. "I want a powerful, masterly, cruel and fearless youth... There must be nothing weak or tender about them. The freedom and dignity of the wild beast must shine from their eyes... That is how I will root out a thousand years of human domestication."

That domestication, of course, was in large part due to the influence of Christianity. Hitler was blunter still on other occasions. "It is through the peasantry that we shall really be able to destroy Christianity," he said in 1933, "because there is in them a true religion rooted in nature and blood." His countrymen would have to choose: "One is either a Christian or a German. You can't be both."

Indeed, he understood all too well that Christianity, in the long run, was his enemy. "Pure Christianity — the Christianity of the catacombs — is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into fact. It leads simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely wholehearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." Switch a few words around and you'd think you were listening to Joseph Stalin. And like Stalin, Hitler believed history was on his side: "Do you really believe the masses will ever be Christian again? Nonsense. Never again. The tale is finished... but we can hasten matters. The parsons will be made to dig their own graves."

That promise was to come true in a frightful number of cases. Polish Christians felt the full force of the persecution, as historian John Morley reminds us. "In Poland, both Jews and Christians were objects of Nazi oppression and manipulation." The clergy were a chief target: "In West Prussia, out of 690 parish priests, at least two-thirds were arrested, and the remainder escaped only by fleeing from their parishes. After a month's imprisonment, no less than 214 of these priests were executed... by the end of 1940 only twenty priests were left in their parishes — about three percent of the number of parish priests in the pre-war era." The toll of murdered Polish priests would rise into the thousands; their Protestant counterparts (though a much smaller group) fared no better, with many members of the clergy perishing in the camps.

The Rutgers site's presentation is entitled "The Nazi Master Plan: The Persecution of the Christian Churches," and it notes a deep hatred of Christianity throughout the higher echelons. "Important leaders of the National Socialist party would have liked to meet this situation [church influence] by complete extirpation of Christianity and the substitution of a purely racial religion." Their assault was massive: "Different steps in that persecution, such as the campaign for the suppression of denominational and youth organizations, the campaign against denominational schools, the defamation campaign against the clergy, started on the same day in the whole area of the Reich... and were supported by the entire regimented press, by Nazi Party meetings, by traveling party speakers."

None of which is to suggest that Christians were uniformly opposed to Hitler, or that some did not actually embrace the Reich. The lesson from Rutgers, however, is that Hitler was no altar boy, acting on behalf of the Christian faith. Indeed, his hope was to be its undertaker — which was another of his profound miscalculations, and should not be forgotten today.